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Aside Oct. 12th, 2003 08:33 pm
Out of interest, how many of you know CPR / First Aid, and to what degree of confidence?

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From: venta
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 12:46 pm (Link)
Well, according to the little piece of paper stuck up above my desk at work, I can do emergency first aid up until Novemeber next year. That was the result of a one-day course in 2001, though, and I've forgotten a lot of the detail like exactly how many breaths to how many depressions of the chest.

I guess I'd wade in if I was the only option for CPR, but would prefer to leave it someone more clued up.
From: wechsler
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 01:50 pm (Link)
2 breaths, 15 compressions for adults, 1 breath, 5 compressions for under-8's (and I had to look that latter up).

I think I'll need to read this booklet about once a week to remember all the numbers.
From: ali_in_london
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 12:48 pm (Link)
I did a course about a decade ago, and could probably put someone into a reasonable (ie, airways open, head comfortable) approximation of the recovery position after a couple of tries. In theory I know CPR, but I've not done it for ages, so I'd probably get the timings all wrong so I would certainly not be first choice to do it. In terms of general first aid, I roughly know what to do if someone is feeling faint, has a burn or things like that, but I wouldn't know how to tie a tourniquet or anything like that.
From: furrylemming
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 12:57 pm (Link)
I know first aid and am confident in using it due to more experience than I'd like. I keep updated because I feel resposible for folks I care about and or employ. I'm not confident about my adequacy at CPR, although I'd have physical difficulty doing it anyway. I know the basic rules, and try to keep updated about the ratio of breaths to chest compressions. I'll be going on the next course I come across because it's a personal responsibilty thing for me I think.
From: dennyd
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 01:21 pm (Link)
I did the St Johns Ambulance 'first aid in the workplace' course when I was at Uni. I remember very little, except that I cracked a few ribs on the CPR dummy according to the girl running the course. She told us this, waited until everyone laughed, and then pointed out that at least my dummy was still alive - everyone else had failed to depress the chest enough to simulate any useful breathing.

I'd be scared shitless if I had to use anything I learnt there, but possibly a tiny bit more useful than someone who'd never done a course.
From: wechsler
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 01:46 pm (Link)
The guy running our course said we were "likely" to crack ribs if doing it properly, but "who cares, the point is to keep them alive".
From: thekumquat
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 01:37 pm (Link)
I have done 2 first aid courses - one was 20 hours in total with CPR and lots of first aid, the other was CPR and stuff which you needed in order to practice massage (what to do if someone's varicose vein bursts was the main thing...)

Most first aid including recovery position - fairly confident. CPR - much less so, partly because I can never tell if someone is breathing and when dealing with unconscious people have always had to get someone else to listen and see if they're breathing. In an emergency I'm better at being the person who calls 999 and describes the location clearly.
From: ruis
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 02:22 pm (Link)
I was taught to use my cheek above the casualties mouth / nose to feel for breath and look for chest movement as well as listening for breathing. You can normally feel very faint breathing even when you can't see the chest rise or hear anything.

From: swiftangel
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 02:13 pm (Link)
I've been certified twice before for CPR, including how to deal with infants and toddlers. I've thankfully never had to use it, but I think I remember well enough how to do so. I even managed not to break the dummy's ribs or cause it massive gastric distension. :)
From: ruis
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 02:17 pm (Link)
I haven't taken a refresher course in far too long but I am confident in my CPR / first aid skills - I've had enough practice in the past to I know I know most of it. My main problem is remembering which recovery position is the currently accepted one.

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From: wechsler
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 11:26 pm (Link)
I did the London Ambulance ELS course at Bow (right next to Devons Road DLR). It's just a two-hour course; unfortunately, they don't offer full first aid courses ATM.

http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/helpweoffer/cardiac/cardiac.html
From: jadine
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 04:04 pm (Link)
I'm confident enough at CPR for adults, although my certification ran out years ago. I don't know much about first aid; thinking about it right now, I really should learn that.

I do know how to perform an emergency tracheotomy using a ballpoint pen, but I'd be pretty hesitant to actually do it; when that's the only option left, though, you have to try. Every time I see reports of a death that could have been prevented that way, I refresh my memory of the procedure.
From: barakta
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 05:22 pm (Link)
I did First Aid from being a smallish kid (Red Cross from 9 - 14) and then St John Ambulance from 17 - 18. The thing I found most intriguing was the way the 'regulations' and advice changed every 3 - 12 months.

The current numbers for CPR have changed from 15 compressions 3 Breaths to 10 Compressions 2 breaths and something else in the 10 years which spanned my First Aid experiences. I would say I'd be fairly confidence in being able to perform some form of CPR although I doubt I would be able to sustain it for long. I don't think it really matter what specifics are used as long as the patient is kept as oxygenated as possible, even using perfect technique it is often difficult to revive or sustain life in a patient who's heart/breathing have stopped but agree anything is worth a try.

The recovery position is another of those things they change yearly it seems, they sought to improve it about 6 years ago and all they seemed to have acheived is a whole load of dislocated shoulders. In fact we were advised that if osmeone doesn't fit in the recovery position properly (as is often the case), stabilising patient with compromise in parts is fine: forcing patients into the recovery when their body doesn't like it helps no one.

My First Aid is out of date, I think it ran out in 2001 sometime and I haven't been bothered to get it redone since. To pay for these courses oneself is prohibitively expensive, not to mention 4 days to do basic stuff was tedious and brain numbingly dull. I would not rejoin St Johns cos many of the people in my outfit were scary psychos and I later met a paramedic who said they were the bane of her working life and I totally understand why. If I got a job and they wanted to pay for me to be first aid monkey I'd do it. I can't lift anything for shit but I am not scared of the sight of blood and am not frightened of dressing wounds or whatever else first aiding entails. One can always commandeer big strong people to lift/support as required. I wouldn't do the 999 thing if I could find someone with better hearing and phone skillz than me, but I undersatand the concept of being sane, calm and answering questions as directed.

Natalya
From: plumsbitch
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 05:38 pm (Link)
have a current St.Johns cert through work, so am reasonably confident on the technique(and have used it in the past) but it comes with alot of advice on when to administer/when not, due to legal implications...

depressing but useful.
From: katishna
Date: October 12th, 2003 - 05:46 pm (Link)
We *just* took the classes in June so we'd have an idea of what to do if Evan got into trouble. Technically I'm certified for adult/child CPR and first aid, but i'd need my cheat sheets (which are in the house and car) to really do good for someone.
From: adjectivemarcus
Date: October 13th, 2003 - 02:06 am (Link)
Don't know much first aid (did it as a teenager so probably out of date and rusty) but take a CPR refresher every year.
From: kyte
Date: October 13th, 2003 - 03:58 am (Link)
Departmental First Aider at work. And insured for personal liability, too...
From: conflux
Date: October 13th, 2003 - 04:05 am (Link)
I did a first aid course including CPR as part of my massage qualification but it is now out of date.
From: thehalibutkid
Date: October 13th, 2003 - 02:17 pm (Link)
I am a nurse so I should really have an up to date certificate but Ijust checked and it seems that mine ran out in january 2002. Naughty me. best sort that out. My competance is just above average.