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Tonge removed from front bench Jan. 23rd, 2004 03:32 pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Politics/libdems/story/0,9061,1129744,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3421669.stm

From: djm4
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 03:38 pm (Link)
Sigh. I'd hoped for better.
From: mageboltrat
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 03:42 pm (Link)
You might of hoped for better, but did you expect it?
From: djm4
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 03:49 pm (Link)
To be honest, I had no idea what to expect.
From: mageboltrat
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 03:53 pm (Link)
You know how politics is these days. If suggested your a badger in disguise. The party line will always be along the lines "we are not going to discuss, as discussing this might suggest we agree that being a badger is alright, we are just going to ask you to resign. That will look like were doing something and taking an anti badger stance.
From: wechsler
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 04:06 pm (Link)
That's probably the least coherent comment anyone's ever posted in my journal.
From: mageboltrat
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 04:07 pm (Link)
Didn't get much sleep last night.
From: valkyriekaren
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 04:15 pm (Link)
Did you manage to parse it in the end, or do you need a translation?
From: mageboltrat
Date: January 24th, 2004 - 05:32 pm (Link)
Ah proof that I was making sense.... check out galliana userinfo.... More proof that badgers shouldn't be in politics.
From: thekumquat
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 04:03 pm (Link)
Arse.

What's the good of lving in a democracy if there aren't any parties worth voting for?
From: wechsler
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 04:07 pm (Link)
The task is then to turn one of the ones that isn't into one that is. Despite this cave-in, I suspect that the lib dems are still the best option for that.
From: mageboltrat
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 04:10 pm (Link)
The problem is you never know what a party will be like until it gets real power. I mean who would have guesses that the current Labour government would be the way it is?
From: valkyriekaren
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 04:17 pm (Link)
I dunno, I was deeply suspicious ever since they got rid of the pledge to re-nationalise privatised industry (Clause 4 of the Constitution of the British Labour Party). Admittedly, I didn't let my membership lapse until after they got into power and it became clear that they really weren't going to do it.
From: djm4
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 04:23 pm (Link)
I also knew Twiggy and a few others from NUS days. I wasn't especially surprised. I also don't think they've been a universally bad thing, actually - just not as good as many people hoped, and with a few really bad ideas.

Rory Bremner pretty much had them pegged from the start, incidentally, if anyone remembers his shows from 1997.
From: barakta
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 06:39 pm (Link)
Dare I ask what period you were involved with NUS? I have done a small amount of the NUS thing and I fear some of the people who are currently 'in'.

I go through phases of illusion and disillusionment with student, union and NUS politics.

Natalya
From: djm4
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 06:47 pm (Link)
Well, I went to NUS conference as an observer (and once as a delegate) several times between 1989 and 1993 (I think). I was also involved in Cambridge University Students' Union for much of that period.
From: barakta
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 07:24 pm (Link)
That seems to be the period when many of my friends were involved with NUS, I know those who did LGB stuff then except getting the B recognised was somewhat contentious.

I've never done national conference, only smaller LGB ones a few times which are scary enough. Still it is useful experience in cynicism if nothing else....

Natalya
From: thekumquat
Date: January 23rd, 2004 - 07:12 pm (Link)
The task is then to turn one of the ones that isn't into one that is.
Yes. Or alternatively (or simultaneously), prod the one which is in power into seeing some sense. Responding to consultations issued by govt departments actually does have an effect.

Now all I need is to go back into a Real Policy job and be able to hit ministers over the head until they see sense...