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The joys of transferable voting May. 28th, 2004 10:45 am
With a whole two weeks to go, Ken has finally let us see one aspect of his "policy". Hope we didn't rush him too much.

Unfortunately for him, I still distinctly prefer Simon's policies in this area.

And thanks to the transferable voting scheme I can vote for him without the worry that I'm "wasting" a vote that might stop that Tory nutter getting in - I can still cast my second choice on the populist ticket and give it to Ken.

However I'm loath to even give Ken that much credit for the effort he's put into declaring his policies. Two weeks to go and he's finally made one aspect available online, which copies the Lib Dem line in most areas and loses the plot in others. Perhaps he feels that we should let his past speak for him (and admittedly he's done some good) - but that past was acheived as an Independent, and Ken's now sold himself back into the Labour fold. We can either believe that he'll be independent anyway, and try to carry on those past policies in conflict with his national party, or that he'll just take the Nu Labour line that's cheerfully fucking over the rest of the country.

Fortunately there's the option of Simon Hughes. While his website photo may be prone to scaring small children, his policies - all consistent with, and supported by, national and federal Lib Dem policies - seem to me to have the edge on what Ken's so far admitted to, and also have the additional benefit of being published! Download the "London United" document for full details for the various representative levels - the federal policy of tackling all matters at the appropriate degree of locality means that the party does have a genuinely integrated strategy, which should help avoid the constant battling between levels that's still too often seen.

At the bottom line I'm more interested in seeing people vote than telling them who to vote for, however (assuming it's not one of the various faces of the Lunatic Right). So read the policies as you find them, and make your own minds up, but FFS let's not give anything away to the BNP-alikes.

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From: mooism
Date: May 28th, 2004 - 02:46 pm (Link)
It's not STV. I think they call it Alternative Vote. Here's how it works:

Voting: You get a first choice vote and a second choice vote. No third/fourth/fifth/etc choices allowed.

Counting: They count up all the first choice votes, and knock out all candidates except the top two. Votes for eliminated candidates are transferred to the second choice, if the second-choice candidate has not been eliminated. Whichever candidate now has the most votes is now elected.

The intent is that people give their first choice vote to whoever they want to win, and vote tactically with their second choice.
From: thekumquat
Date: May 28th, 2004 - 10:54 am (Link)
Do you know where I can find a clear explanation of what clout the Mayor and GLA etc actually have? Both docs don't detail that - eg Hughes saying "The Government must introduce Crossrail" - I've been saying that for years but saying it don't make it so.
From: wechsler
Date: May 28th, 2004 - 10:58 am (Link)
http://www.londonelects.org.uk/mayor/themayor.html might have the links to what you need.

And I'm with you on Crossrail.
From: sashajwolf
Date: May 28th, 2004 - 11:22 am (Link)
Perhaps he feels that we should let his past speak for him (and admittedly he's done some good) - but that past was acheived as an Independent, and Ken's now sold himself back into the Labour fold. We can either believe that he'll be independent anyway, and try to carry on those past policies in conflict with his national party, or that he'll just take the Nu Labour line that's cheerfully fucking over the rest of the country.

He was firmly in the Awkward Squad when he was in the Labour fold before, and probably will be again - and I feel listened to by him in a way I don't by any of the others. Certainly not our local Lib Dems. I'll definitely be voting for him. In the European elections, I'll be voting Green.
From: reddragdiva
Date: May 28th, 2004 - 11:30 am (Link)
Liz and I plan to vote Ken on the basis of past plans and actions as a guide to future ones. Greens for Europe.

I am very happy to hear of a voting scheme that isn't first-past-the-post being adopted in Britain - it's barely tolerable in a two-party state, and ridiculous in a three-party one.