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And from today's Completely Fucking Ludicrous ™ files Aug. 12th, 2004 10:43 am
Appeal court judges yesterday defied human rights campaigners by ruling that British courts could use evidence extracted under torture, as long as British agents were not complicit in the abuse.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1281397,00.html

From: deliberateblank
Date: August 12th, 2004 - 10:38 am (Link)
Nyees. Obviously going by the principle that we shouldn't encourage our own to engage in torture (although sidestepping the allegations that we *have*) but it's not our responsibility it someone else does it. But ignoring the fact that such evidence is *completely fucking useless*.

It's extremely suspicious that the judges (well, the same one in fact, Mr Justice Laws) stated that the evidence being extracted under torture was "purely hypothetical" but then went on to back the use of evidence gained by torture. You'd've thunk that if it wasn't extracted under torture there would be no need to defend it further...
The majority decision was welcomed by the home secretary, David Blunkett.
Gareth Peirce, solicitor for eight of the men, said: “This is a terrifying judgment. It shows we have completely lost our way in this country, morally and legally.”

Perhaps we need to train some guide-dogs who can offer replacement moral and legal sight too.
From: wechsler
Date: August 12th, 2004 - 12:00 pm (Link)
But ignoring the fact that such evidence is *completely fucking useless*.

Only if you're interested in gaining *accurate* convictions, rather than just convictions for their own sake.
From: deliberateblank
Date: August 12th, 2004 - 12:13 pm (Link)
Hell, they're not after *any* convictions at the moment. The men are being held indefinitely without charge.
From: wechsler
Date: August 12th, 2004 - 02:08 pm (Link)
A disturbingly good point.
From: fellcat
Date: August 12th, 2004 - 02:40 pm (Link)
Only if you're interested in gaining *accurate* convictions

Exactly. The witch trials of the Spanish Inquisition show that anyone will confess to anything, whether guilty of it or not, if that confession will stop the pain.

…three British men formerly held in Guantánamo Bay described how after ill treatment they had confessed to meeting up with Osama bin Laden when in fact all three had alibis…


As well as being completely wrong in terms of human rights, this scares me shitless. If it's happening to other British nationals, it could happen to you or me.
From: flewellyn
Date: August 12th, 2004 - 07:20 pm (Link)
Will someone please get me off this fucking planet?