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Because it should be linked Dec. 29th, 2004 07:44 pm
Google's page of Tsunami info and donation options:
http://www.google.com/tsunami_relief.html

Whether you donate is entirely your business and I'm not trying to compel anyone, but it seemed appropriate to provide the link as it also gives news coverage.

Oh, and while I hate to depress the tone any further, that's the small one. (Extreme discretion advised in clicking that link as you may well find the resulting story personally disturbing, even if you've already heard if).

From: redcountess
Date: December 29th, 2004 - 08:02 pm (Link)
Yeah, themadcatlady now lives in Lanzarote on the Canaries for her fibro, and posted yesterday about La Palma. Scary stuff.
From: redcountess
Date: December 29th, 2004 - 08:14 pm (Link)
The IRIS Seismic Monitor is pretty scary too.
(no subject) - blu_dragonfly
From: flewellyn
Date: December 30th, 2004 - 05:08 am (Link)
Yeah, La Palma is something I've been worrying about. It won't hit where I am, in the middle of the continent, but it'll do a number on the East Coast of the US. Not to mention Canada. Then there's you lot over in the UK. And there's the huge

As for governments ignoring this...well, that IS stupid. But there is the question of what they could do, to begin with. Evacuation would have a window of a few hours on the coastline of the Americas, and the island nations...where would they go? There's only so much transport available, only so many places to go. Seeking high ground would work only if there is ground high enough to outlast a 30 meter wave that hits for 15 minutes.

Add to that the problem that the current US president is the type who WANTS an apocalypse...
From: valkyriekaren
Date: December 30th, 2004 - 08:54 am (Link)
I don't know whether there would be a way of removing some of the vulnerable landmass before the eruption/quake, to minimise the effect. The article wechsler linked to says that such efforts are "too dangerous", but I don't know whether by this they mean dangerous to the people doing the clearance, or dangerous in that it could precipitate the tsunami.
From: flewellyn
Date: December 30th, 2004 - 10:56 am (Link)
Given that the vulnerable landmass is vulnerable because it is porous rock filled with water, my guess is "too dangerous" would mean "very likely to precipitate just the event we're trying to prevent".

And besides, even if removal efforts weren't likely to touch off the volcanic collapse and resulting mega-tsunami, the logistics of transporting a mass of rock and soil the size of the Isle of Man are pretty much inconceivable. Never mind the cost, just the sheer possibility of doing it...how? What non-explosive tools do we have that could possibly manipulate that much mass? Dynamite or other explosive earth-moving tools would risk setting off the collapse. Anything explosive would have to be of sufficient size to just vaporize the land mass outright...

I suppose a fusion bomb of sufficient yield could vaporize the island, and thus the problem, but that's one solution that would have to be last resort only: besides the proximity of the other heavily-inhabited islands to the fireball itself, the amount of radiation released, so close to the European and African coasts, would be devastating to the population. If it came down to it, though, a mega-tsunami would probably be more devastating, so this might end up being the only way.

It would constitute the first use of nuclear weapons for "humanitarian" purposes, though.
From: wechsler
Date: December 31st, 2004 - 06:47 pm (Link)
OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that, in honour of the absurdity of the proposal, you're being deliberately stupid, but any explosion large enough to vapourise an island would create a shockwave and resulting tsunami several orders of magnitude larger than the initial collase it was intended to prevent.
From: flewellyn
Date: January 1st, 2005 - 09:07 pm (Link)
Well, nuclear blasts in the Pacific did, indeed, vaporize parts of several islands, notably sections of Bikini and Eniwitok atolls. The megatonnage necessary was in the 20-40 range, with a blast radius of over 60 kilometers. These blasts did not create tsunamis. They were hardly "insignificant", but aside from radiological contamination, and the aforementioned removal of portions of the islands, there wasn't a great deal of long-term effect.

That said, I was being more than a little facetious in suggesting that we nuke La Palma. It probably would not go over well with the inhabitants.