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Propogation: interest to USians... Oct. 17th, 2005 01:41 pm
http://www.commoncensus.org/

(please comment here if you contribute)

From: meico
Date: October 17th, 2005 - 01:26 pm (Link)
Ineresting, but being as I don't live in the US anymore I shant contribute. :(
From: modalsynthesis
Date: October 18th, 2005 - 08:50 am (Link)
Having grown up in Denver, I can tell you for certain that Denver does not have a major influence on Wyoming, Montana, or the Dakotas in much way at all...but there's a lot of land, not a lot of people, and Denver is the largest city between the CA coast and Chicago if you're going in an east-west direction. (Let's forget Texas: the only Colorado residents who would tell you Texas is an influence are expatriate Texans.)

While I find it interesting, and I think the survey will have some insights to offer once it passes 50k+ responses, it's likely to be inaccurate in most of the West, not counting the Pacific coast (due to population). Most residents of Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho would not tell you Boise, Denver, or Salt Lake is the city that influences them, respectively. Wyoming in particular trends very libertarian: they've turned down federal funding for freeways rather than change their laws regarding speed limits and alcohol limits. (FWIW, alcohol-related driving fatalies in Wyoming are quite low. Mostly because less than 3 million people live in the whole state.)

Also, eastern Washington is probably more likely to identify themselves with Idaho, not western Washington. I find this ironic to say the least. And I expect the Columbia River, the boundary between Washington and Oregon, is a sharper divide than the map indicates. People in Vancover, WA, which is a suburb of Portland, OR, identify themselves as Washingtonians, even if they take advantage of tax-free shopping in Portland. (But they would probably very logically tell you that Portland dominates their economic lives.)

This begs the question of the accuracy of this survey to begin with. There's a difference between economic influence and cultural influence, and it would blur the boundaries this map draws. I don't know which way the map values these influences: all it asked me was vague questions on city names and influence. But differentiating those values will result in two different maps. For Seattle and Portland, the difference is probably small. Both are quite liberal in both the good and bad ways.

(FWIW, by the lines I live in Redmond, WA, but consider myself a resident of Bellevue, WA, based on the amount of time I spend doing things in Bellevue and the fact that my part of Redmond is the part that looks exactly like Bellevue. Seattle has a disproportionate influence on how I live my life because of Seattle residents (who outnumber us) who don't give any thought to how their decisions affect myself or any other suburban residents.)

If these folks apply more granularity to their results, they'll probably be much more accurate. I'd suggest breaking it down by urban centers and large suburbs: this would break Seattle into four areas, for Bellevue, Everett, Tacoma, and Seattle. They trend the same way, but they have distinct differences. But at the very least they should do it by large cities compared to local populations within the state boundaries.

While you can generalize by region, there's a surprisingly large difference in various areas of any given region.

Sorry for the novel. ;)
From: otterylexa
Date: October 23rd, 2005 - 06:04 pm (Link)
Hmm. Would be interested to see a similar project for UK/Europe