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Yesterday Apr. 2nd, 2006 10:12 am
Discovered that the Scholl store in central London has gone AWOL.

Went gaming chez conflux; played Citadels, Starbase Jeff and Munchkin. envoy coincidentally* mentioned that V was still showing at the Streatham Odeon and that he planned to see it later, so I tagged along.

Now I've very carefully avoided reading anyone else's comments on the film before I saw it, so opinions may vary but:
It's an *extremely* good film. But if you enjoy it, you're probably not paying attention. Opinions vary; I found it a bit close to the mark to be enjoyable, but YMMV. Or I may just be picking a slightly odd definition of "enjoyable".

Never read the comic book - think I've got a shopping trip today.

ION I've been mailing Hendrik from Grand Illusions about dice & dragons, and I now have a couple more different colours of the latter.

From: ciphergoth
Date: April 2nd, 2006 - 11:33 am (Link)
"if you enjoy it, you're probably not paying attention."

That seems a strange thing to say - can you unpack it a bit?
From: wechsler
Date: April 2nd, 2006 - 05:37 pm (Link)
YMMV - see comment below.


From: ergotia
Date: April 2nd, 2006 - 02:36 pm (Link)
I think I enjoyed it and paid attention - what do you mean?

Re: Eh?

From: wechsler
Date: April 2nd, 2006 - 05:18 pm (Link)
Too realistic*, too possible and thus too scary to be really "enjoyable". IMHO.

*well OK, the english dialect was a bit overdone, but that could have been deliberate.

Re: Eh?

From: ciphergoth
Date: April 2nd, 2006 - 06:36 pm (Link)
Strange. I enjoyed it very much but I thought it a bit optimistic.

Re: Eh?

From: wechsler
Date: April 2nd, 2006 - 06:47 pm (Link)
I think this is kinda a glass-half-full thing; it depends on whether you're looking at the government and feeling regret, or looking at V and the popular uprising and feeling gratified.

Perhaps I lack optimism.

Re: Eh?

From: ciphergoth
Date: April 2nd, 2006 - 06:56 pm (Link)
If you think V is realistic in its portrayal either of a plausible modern dystopia or how you might resist it, then I don't think you lack optimism.

Re: Eh?

From: wechsler
Date: April 2nd, 2006 - 07:33 pm (Link)
Not entirely sure whether you're being snarky, but I think it's realistic in direction, not detail, and hopefully not in scope. And every step in that direction that we take depresses me; too many have already been taken, if less here than elsewhere.

I am actually aware that it's a fantasy. You can enjoy it as an action movie, and it's a damn good one. But I imagine that's not the entire reason why Alan Moore wrote the comic, or the Wachowski brothers took it on as a film

Re: Eh?

From: wechsler
Date: April 2nd, 2006 - 07:35 pm (Link)
And yes, saying you can't enjoy it *and* pay attention was overstating my case.

Re: Eh?

From: dreamsewing
Date: April 2nd, 2006 - 11:19 pm (Link)
I agree and think it is realistic in that it contains truths that are applicable in any age. At the time written , thepast referenced and now. Regardless of the representation, the way Western govts. gain control was frighteningly realistic. And in a way, I hope the scale (at least in the People's response) is NOT far off.
Just to add to the post V mood, when I returned to Milan the next day, turned on the telly to see more of Paris riots :/
From: adjectivemarcus
Date: April 3rd, 2006 - 08:37 am (Link)
I don't think it's an attempt to predict, or warn about what will or might happen, but I do think of it as a parable.

One can enjoy a lesson and still learn, I find.